@𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴ÿ MIH also I understand that you probably wanted to vote someone right away to get the game rolling and to collect some sort of info but why vote me specifically?
This line felt like misinformation and that something she could use if I decided to push her later. If she was scum her finding points to sus me would be smart especially considering she knows that I know how to read her well
Alex19
I will say that talking at the same time as scum at the start seems a little idiotic
This line felt like misinformation and that something she could use if I decided to push her later. If she was scum her finding points to sus me would be smart especially considering she knows that I know how to read her well
And yet you have advanced and are part of a tournament right now. Its a pretty wild assumption to think I just pooked at the list and assumed you’d be the one bad dude i could push for an easy play
Why are you acting like I’ve always been a patient person and not defensive???
12:49 p.m.
Alex
𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴ÿ MIH
And yet you have advanced and are part of a tournament right now. Its a pretty wild assumption to think I just pooked at the list and assumed you’d be the one bad dude i could push for an easy play
the only one i know well is phone , so id have 3 options. But if phone’s town and sees me bullying someone into execution blatantly then im fucked. And thats assuming only phone knows the game. But im sure you all are good enough to notice a provocation pile that
Jen
Why are you acting like I’ve always been a patient person and not defensive???
the only one i know well is phone , so id have 3 options. But if phone’s town and sees me bullying someone into execution blatantly then im fucked. And thats assuming only phone knows the game. But im sure you all are good enough to notice a provocation pile that
You said talking first with your partner as maf is idiotic but so is pushing targeting and provoking senselessly as maf so you either accept both or ne either as possible
12:56 p.m.
Now id argue they re both possible tbh but to each their own
𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴ÿ MIH
You said talking first with your partner as maf is idiotic but so is pushing targeting and provoking senselessly as maf so you either accept both or ne either as possible
I’m just confused on the basis of how I’m sus. You comment on every little message that I have and then when Jen gets emotional and talks to me weirdly you are like oh she’s fine because she asked a question that doesn’t make you guys seem paired
Ive explained the basis of my sus, of course im gonna continue looking around every little thing i think you’re the godfather i wanna be sure my sus actually has a foundation. Its just been you and jen here
Yeah i was sayin something else there sorry. What I meant was that because of the way she spoke to you and the way you reacted i believe your pairing is unlikely. But my gut still suspects you
Well even if this is the case Im sure we could work it out somehow. Should we actually end up lynching you I told you ar the start that ill be listening to what you say abt jen at least so in this scenario we 99% solve the game
Well even if this is the case Im sure we could work it out somehow. Should we actually end up lynching you I told you ar the start that ill be listening to what you say abt jen at least so in this scenario we 99% solve the game
You didn’t call me stupid , but you imply im doing things that are nothing thought out like sticking my vote you and refusing to move or accusing you without a reason. I would have been fine if you had said you disagreed or didn’t give a shit okay fair but you keep saying it doesn’t make sense
You didn’t call me stupid , but you imply im doing things that are nothing thought out like sticking my vote you and refusing to move or accusing you without a reason. I would have been fine if you had said you disagreed or didn’t give a shit okay fair but you keep saying it doesn’t make sense
Ehh he doesn’t like getting pushed early on (but who does), he usually slips easily if pressured enough. Hes not screaming town to me. Usually I can have a pretty decent read on him early on.
I talked it out with Fresh in DMs but as I told him I'm still upset against the other ppl involved
I just care enough about Fresh to figure I'd talk it out w him
+ That made me realize that he didn't get the ppl to harass Abbi when I thought he was behind that
https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1249861702145540126/1250495204754980874
Honestly with how long this back and forth is going this kinda reminded me that most likely Ruthless is mafia cuz eh despite my earlier thought of MIH/Jen possibly SvS I'm kinda thinking that the SvS pair isn't posting here -> which would point to Ruthless
Not rlly related to Jen's msg I'm well aware but that made me think of that oop
Again with the victimizing , you’re not some crazy person if you get something wrong here its a bit dramatic
1:31 p.m.
if you don’t like being accused early it would make sense why you think we re scum, I also said that my sus on you and jen could just be because of your entrance and my paranoia
𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴ÿ MIH
Again with the victimizing , you’re not some crazy person if you get something wrong here its a bit dramatic
Individually in townieness of the ppl that posted I think I'm at like
Alex > MIH > You
But it's kinda closely packed together
Hmmmmm
Maybe you/MIH reversed
I know I'm town
So if we're TvT, that'd mean Alex/Jen can't be TvT mathematically
So if you're town, then why is it wolfy if I don't break conflict?
It's only good if I break conflict if it's you/Ruthless, no?
Alex19
She’s good enough as scum to post that as well btw
Me and Alex are not tt. I’ll take the lynch if it means he goes next. Do I think he’s gf? No I think he’s mafioso
Caitlin
I know I'm town
So if we're TvT, that'd mean Alex/Jen can't be TvT mathematically
So if you're town, then why is it wolfy if I don't break conflict?
It's only good if I break conflict if it's you/Ruthless, no?
No offense Alex, why would I think you are a threat to me. You read me well as town, not as mafia. We read each other well when both town. Dont get it twisted. I have never been exed as mafia by YOU.
Caitlin
If I had to guess you're Mafioso in that world so that if Alex OMGUS votes D2 he'd vote the Mafioso not the GF
No offense Alex, why would I think you are a threat to me. You read me well as town, not as mafia. We read each other well when both town. Dont get it twisted. I have never been exed as mafia by YOU.
No offense Alex, why would I think you are a threat to me. You read me well as town, not as mafia. We read each other well when both town. Dont get it twisted. I have never been exed as mafia by YOU.
I think all your arguments would be really unnecessary here , you two slightly suspect each other but alex did stop to ask you what your reads were jen. Its too inconsistent to be consistent imo
2:34 p.m.
amd youd have to plan all this based on my vote and attitude which you had no knowledge of
𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴ÿ MIH
I think all your arguments would be really unnecessary here , you two slightly suspect each other but alex did stop to ask you what your reads were jen. Its too inconsistent to be consistent imo
Always when I roll mafia with Sam we push each other for like an hour in a row to distance
And then are just actually having fun doing that behind the scenes
3:13 p.m.
So yea I wouldn't remove that possibility yet
3:14 p.m.
As I've said tho
3:14 p.m.
I do find teams with Ruthless likelier than teams without Ruthless
Yeah but its the fact that you keep making a note of it in chat. If you re suspecting alex for doing this to you , letting them know its that obvious could deter them
@Alex19 I don’t understand your read on me. Cause if you are capable of reading as well as you say you do, then I’m not sure why you are on me. I was hoping to come into this game and town reading you off of the back, but you have not done anything remotely that screams “Alex is town”. The only reason why I haven’t voted you is because 1-someone can hammer at any given point and 2-I would like to hear from ruthless before voting.
And I’ve iso’d through Alex and Alex has not made any extra progression regarding is sus on me over everyone else. He’s thrown some soft sus at Mih and not much at Cait. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Jen
@Alex19 I don’t understand your read on me. Cause if you are capable of reading as well as you say you do, then I’m not sure why you are on me. I was hoping to come into this game and town reading you off of the back, but you have not done anything remotely that screams “Alex is town”. The only reason why I haven’t voted you is because 1-someone can hammer at any given point and 2-I would like to hear from ruthless before voting.
I’m going to read back but I don’t see why maf me would take the approach of sussing you out of all people. If anything I would try to manipulate you and get your trust. You also know that would be way easier to pull off because pushing you when you are town is extremely annoying
3:57 p.m.
I think I need to be stern and confident with my beliefs so that people don’t get confused later
Jen
And I’ve iso’d through Alex and Alex has not made any extra progression regarding is sus on me over everyone else. He’s thrown some soft sus at Mih and not much at Cait. Correct me if I’m wrong.
I’m going to read back but I don’t see why maf me would take the approach of sussing you out of all people. If anything I would try to manipulate you and get your trust. You also know that would be way easier to pull off because pushing you when you are town is extremely annoying
if you immediately go to jen and ask her to reconsider or think straight or ask if you’re stupid stuff that you did to phone it would make her even more put off i feel like
4:03 p.m.
@Jen am I wrong?
4:04 p.m.
Granted you guys have this history thing and maybe its just my playstyle but id be wary of situations like this
Alex19
Do you think that you are playing really inno this game?
After you questioned Alex , if he’d start to slowly ask you to reconsider and say stuff like he sad to phone would it not be weird to you? He said he would try to manipulate you instead of voting for you but i feel like that also wouldnt work
After you questioned Alex , if he’d start to slowly ask you to reconsider and say stuff like he sad to phone would it not be weird to you? He said he would try to manipulate you instead of voting for you but i feel like that also wouldnt work
Prob not. I’m not one to easily manipulate. If my mind is made up, it’s made up
Alex19
I’m going to read back but I don’t see why maf me would take the approach of sussing you out of all people. If anything I would try to manipulate you and get your trust. You also know that would be way easier to pull off because pushing you when you are town is extremely annoying
beginning
slight filler
reaction test from mih on alex
alex points out he thinks hes talking to maf whether its jen or mih
seems like jen thinks alex is maf
is alex getting cooked by mih and jen
some more back and forth between mih and alex
mih points out he sussed alex and jen based on how they know each other
thinks alex is gf and jen is fine
jen thinks alex is mafioso
caitlin comes on after that, opens with her disastifaction for the player quality in the game
just filler between cait and jen continuing on caits opening
cait mentions mih/jen feel svs
jen thinks its mih/jen v cait/alex
My thoughts:
Alex / Jen
Alex / Mih
Alex / Cait
Alex appeals to cait more than once and I can see why when they think both jen and mih think they are scum
I’m assuming you are like pretty talented and I’m just trynna earn points so I’ll work with whoever I trust genuinely
Mih / Jen
Mih / Cait
Cait / Jen
I kinda got bored a bit and just skimmed around 1:23 pm (a little over 2 hrs and 30 mins ago)
I will also point out on the alex/cait thing, i dont think it is likely for scum to appeal to the other scum. seems like something either tvt or svt would do
Its not trusting jen more than its trusting you less like ive said. I trust that you two are definitely not paired. Her frustration and yours seems genuine but hers makes more sense to me
Its not trusting jen more than its trusting you less like ive said. I trust that you two are definitely not paired. Her frustration and yours seems genuine but hers makes more sense to me
Jen hasn’t done stuff to show she s townier , but she’s shown that distance between the two of you imo and thats what ive been looking for since the beginning
If you are inno, then you have yourself to blame bc there’s no reason that you are pushing me here knowing dang well you can read me best later in game.
If you are inno, then you have yourself to blame bc there’s no reason that you are pushing me here knowing dang well you can read me best later in game.
Cause I trust none of yall. So yes, neutral. But I don’t think he’s your partner. You literally asked me who’s mafia with you. And I’ve answered that I don’t think Mih is your teammate.
Well reads change based on what pair you put em in, you can say someone is innocent if you put them in a pair with someone else who’s more sus but if you take them out of that pair they re not really innocent anymore
Update on alex + cait
Alex/Cait
I don't think Alex and Cait are both scum together, if alex is scum here I'm going to go with cait being town and one of jen/mih being the other scum.
And if Alex and Cait are both town, scum is mih and jen. (I think it would be more likely that jen is gf in this pairing)
I came into this game looking for town. I was hoping that I can town lean you but I really don’t, and the fact that you still think I’m mafia over others is quite frightening seeing that you are capable of reading me.
Like i said with my trust ranking , if i had to choose i would go jen because i have to choose
Jen
I came into this game looking for town. I was hoping that I can town lean you but I really don’t, and the fact that you still think I’m mafia over others is quite frightening seeing that you are capable of reading me.
Felt their trust and general attitude with alex wasn’t founded well , Cait just straight up disagreed with me that it was weird when i called em out tho and alex is acting like he s on death row anyway
i feel like her whole interaction was just very surface level
𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴ÿ MIH
Felt their trust and general attitude with alex wasn’t founded well , Cait just straight up disagreed with me that it was weird when i called em out tho and alex is acting like he s on death row anyway
this could also be because they didn’t have time or something? Ive called out cait before on this and she’s explained herself but with alex looking sus for me it really doesnt help
4:50 p.m.
im not locked in on cait and alex but thats what im focused on rn
4:51 p.m.
if you really think its wrong lemme see what ya got
If you think cait is scum here though and alex is likely to be scum here, why would alex appeal to cait earlier? That is just one of the reasons I dont think they are both scum together. Not that does means cait can be scum as an individual or alex can't be
Well tbh , i suspect you , you talked a lot so i have constant content to go over , you constantly defend i constantly respond its what ill do. If you want try to talk about your suses more in depth and we can discuss them
Well tbh , i suspect you , you talked a lot so i have constant content to go over , you constantly defend i constantly respond its what ill do. If you want try to talk about your suses more in depth and we can discuss them
If you think cait is scum here though and alex is likely to be scum here, why would alex appeal to cait earlier? That is just one of the reasons I dont think they are both scum together. Not that does means cait can be scum as an individual or alex can't be
Well I looked at it from a svt perspective at first since i had alex gf in mind. Problem is that from both their perspective they seemed to be buttering the other up it felt weird as i was there witnessing it idk how to explain it otherwise
Well I looked at it from a svt perspective at first since i had alex gf in mind. Problem is that from both their perspective they seemed to be buttering the other up it felt weird as i was there witnessing it idk how to explain it otherwise
I see, but in that case what I said would not be intentional if it's grounded on most cases of appealing and still does account for when scum does appeal to town... But by buttering up, what do you mean? Like what did they say
Caitlin
@𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴ÿ MIH if you think me mafioso Alex gf why would you push me first esp. when Alex would get more traction
I see, but in that case what I said would not be intentional if it's grounded on most cases of appealing and still does account for when scum does appeal to town... But by buttering up, what do you mean? Like what did they say
Yeah no I agree with what youre saying too , i think that their int is at least tvs imo. By buttering up i mean helping and completing eachother in the convo, Cait comes in and goes over sime messages starting to say alex doesn’t look bad to which alex begins saying things like am i crazy? Am i wrong and they start working off of each other.
It could be argued that town may want to gain the trust of others when they have a scum read in order to eliminate the mafia... However this is not a philosophical discussion (i can finally send what I was going to say earlier)
Assuming there is even an inno that’s pushing confident on it being me that’s really unfortunate. I am aware that ideally mafia wants to pick both sides of an argument
i think at the start of the game jen looked a bit scummy for piggy backing off of mih at the start (kinda like one may be using each other in order to get you out) or they could both be just rlly good and somehow both town with u being maf which.. i dont know yet, i would have to restate my pairings
No but mind you I’m also working so my head isn’t all here. I’m just trying to figure out why you pushed me early game, granted I asked questions to get a feel if I can trust you or not
i just know for now that u two arent together and i dont think u (alex) are with cait either
somber
i think at the start of the game jen looked a bit scummy for piggy backing off of mih at the start (kinda like one may be using each other in order to get you out) or they could both be just rlly good and somehow both town with u being maf which.. i dont know yet, i would have to restate my pairings
No but mind you I’m also working so my head isn’t all here. I’m just trying to figure out why you pushed me early game, granted I asked questions to get a feel if I can trust you or not
i would have to check and say what i personally think but it would be better for both jen and mih to comment on that becausee its about them and their perspective first
i would have to check and say what i personally think but it would be better for both jen and mih to comment on that becausee its about them and their perspective first
Because to my knowledge and also caits, nothing was said to warrant that. And then from your pov cait and I are not both scum so an inno is defending me here whether that’s me, cait or the both is us
And soft defend each other the entire game but when it comes down to cait and I that’s not all we talk about
Alex19
Because to my knowledge and also caits, nothing was said to warrant that. And then from your pov cait and I are not both scum so an inno is defending me here whether that’s me, cait or the both is us
I feel like those who are involved in most of the theories rn are worth dying for info even so thats why i was gonna self if needed. But atm idc since there’s 2 votes on you as well
I feel like those who are involved in most of the theories rn are worth dying for info even so thats why i was gonna self if needed. But atm idc since there’s 2 votes on you as well
Don’t self pls. Self hammering is lame. I get WHY, but nah.
somber
It could be argued that town may want to gain the trust of others when they have a scum read in order to eliminate the mafia... However this is not a philosophical discussion (i can finally send what I was going to say earlier)
That’s not true, I never said i was locked in , you’re voting me rn but I doubt that vote is set in too. The more we talk the more we uncover or change
No cause you give me no reason to town you, instead you are hoping Cait and ruthless agree with you
𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴ÿ MIH
That’s not true, I never said i was locked in , you’re voting me rn but I doubt that vote is set in too. The more we talk the more we uncover or change
Not everything you’ve done in this game is strictly suspicious and incriminating. The start of your game was okay for example, it just derailed imo as we continued to argue
somber
i think at the start of the game jen looked a bit scummy for piggy backing off of mih at the start (kinda like one may be using each other in order to get you out) or they could both be just rlly good and somehow both town with u being maf which.. i dont know yet, i would have to restate my pairings
My push started with just gut, you weren’t being pushed for any hard evidence against it just kinda snowballed and the more we pointed out the more you started not making sense for me at least. You seem to not read some stuff that I say
But I don’t back jen, we just agreed on you looking sus , I never defended her you asked which i trusted after i literally said you and cait could be svs what did you think i was gonna say
At this point, I don’t care if you are inno. You are too focused on me/mih that you can’t see anything else. So you flipping for me, will help the game tremendously, however you flip.
This sounds like you’re upset because you’re expecting me to change. Why would I feel the need to do so, you feel that way because you’re being accused
Weve been the only two talking man you re acting like i made a hard case against you , you ve tried to defend yourself and didn’t convince me big deal you still have time
Jen
You came at me first, I’m just giving it straight back.
You literally said you are pushing a maf. Which is me who you are pushing. VOTING is entirely different. Do you see my point? You may have placed your vote on Mih but are you pushing him?
But something is weird isn’t, cause you’re voting with cait and also waiting for ruth to decide
Jen
You literally said you are pushing a maf. Which is me who you are pushing. VOTING is entirely different. Do you see my point? You may have placed your vote on Mih but are you pushing him?
@Alex19 mb i was talking to my girlfriend and playing some other game but here
Early game
Mih reaction tested Alex
Alex confirmed the reaction test wouldnt indicate hes scum
Mih further states hes voting based on gut and it works well for him -- could be apart of the reaction test
Mih mentions it might be alex + jen
Alex pushed back on jen saying "alex only calls me mafia when hes mafia"
Mih pushed back on alex saying that people talking at the same time as scum seems idiotic
Alex mentions he thinks mih wanted to react poorly due to the idea that himself could be seen as weak
Jen starts pushing on alex because she hasnt trd him yet based on what he has said
Jen also states that she wants to solve the game by d1 when alex says shes being defensive
Main points:
MIH
disagrees with thinking you are an easy push looking at the tournament list
pushing and targeting as maf to accept you both or him as a possible scum(?)
thought you were suspicious of your knowledge of jen and interactions
Jen
thinks you are mafioso because you arent telling as gf
and that is kind of a gripe i have with how this is playing out right now because it feels like this game is on my shoulders if people continue to have a hard pairing of you and mih and alex and cait which i do not want because it's stressful
Sorry I’ll talk to you about game in a little while. I need to reread
somber
and that is kind of a gripe i have with how this is playing out right now because it feels like this game is on my shoulders if people continue to have a hard pairing of you and mih and alex and cait which i do not want because it's stressful
the reason why i commented on it is that i am not certain that is true, but from you and mih's perspective you would both have to agree you both arent scum
somber
the reason why i commented on it is that i am not certain that is true, but from you and mih's perspective you would both have to agree you both arent scum
i mentioned earlier that it seemed like one of u (mih or yourself) were using each other in order to push on alex early since you guys had similar reads on him
well it wouldnt be common sense, common sense is something most people would know which i wouldnt be aware of since i dont know you or have played with you haha
Alex19
@Unknown so if you had to guess you’d say it’s both MI and Jen?
The only “meta” thing about me is I wouldn’t push the same person as my partner
11:27 p.m.
Distancing is key in this game
somber
the reason why i commented on it is that i am not certain that is true, but from you and mih's perspective you would both have to agree you both arent scum
MI kept calling jen town then jen kept calling him neutral
somber
the reason why i commented on it is that i am not certain that is true, but from you and mih's perspective you would both have to agree you both arent scum
So i will restate what i think generally (this is important)
alex/jen most likely not scum together
one can be maf
if jen is town, i can see alex + mih based on cait's idea of their stuff earlier being a bit performative but alex seemed a bit bothered by the idea of gf pushing on nilla unplanned
other options are mih + cait, they havent really interacted much together from what i remember, could be wrong but i do know cait spoke a bit and started quoted various things. mih wanted cait gone so cait would definitely not be gf here in this pairing and that would leave mih being gf here, cait being mafioso or whatev
alex + cait, i had an opinion earlier that when alex was appealing to cait it seemed like they could be either town together or one would be scum (alex) appealing to town. id be a bit confused if they were both somehow maf but i didnt really read much else and i am not sure how cait is really being trd here based on what they have said (as i see you guys typing rn). i dont agree with cait's opinion specifically on how there are more mafia pairings with me + someone else than not and alex agreeing with it as well; especially considering my interactions with everyone here not really pointing to be scummy with anyone, ive treated everyone generally the same lol
i would just like to point out when we were discussing how the teams felt decided earlier, i didnt really like that fmpov because it may be wrong and if it is that will impact everything if we choose incorrectly d1 based on that
i feel like cait is kinda meh in the sense that she has not interacted much with other people distinctly enough to make a proper decision on her being paired with people but the possibility is open
Sure, I could be as that's a possibility from your perspective but i dare to say if I question that a bit further you may be stuck with that idea and will change it
That’s what I’m trying to figure out. I don’t think jen being paired with MI makes much sense and then off of tone I trust cait more than you for now so I’m using PoE
12:32 a.m.
Can that change yes
somber
Sure, I could be as that's a possibility from your perspective but i dare to say if I question that a bit further you may be stuck with that idea and will change it
I do not believe you think I am actually gf but instead are just stating it there without much evidence; which is fine but I will push back on that as expected as town
Jen
Why is it so hard to believe that we aren’t both town
i think at the start of the game jen looked a bit scummy for piggy backing off of mih at the start (kinda like one may be using each other in order to get you out) or they could both be just rlly good and somehow both town with u being maf which.. i dont know yet, i would have to restate my pairings
I’ve made some development but at the same time I disnf
1:25 a.m.
But I think you’ll understand as you catch up
somber
the reason why i commented on it is that i am not certain that is true, but from you and mih's perspective you would both have to agree you both arent scum
At this point i wanna exe myself so badly im so curious what youll say with me confirmed
2:07 a.m.
DONE
2:07 a.m.
IM DONE
2:07 a.m.
THANK FUCK
2:08 a.m.
that wasnt that bad tbh
2:08 a.m.
@Alex19 you have missed like a ton. Your vote is good just read back before d2 really gets going lol
2:08 a.m.
Just wanted to do that for the funny
2:09 a.m.
Ngl It feels like ive just been reading a manifesto against me that no one wants to pay fot
somber
So i will restate what i think generally (this is important)
alex/jen most likely not scum together
one can be maf
if jen is town, i can see alex + mih based on cait's idea of their stuff earlier being a bit performative but alex seemed a bit bothered by the idea of gf pushing on nilla unplanned
other options are mih + cait, they havent really interacted much together from what i remember, could be wrong but i do know cait spoke a bit and started quoted various things. mih wanted cait gone so cait would definitely not be gf here in this pairing and that would leave mih being gf here, cait being mafioso or whatev
alex + cait, i had an opinion earlier that when alex was appealing to cait it seemed like they could be either town together or one would be scum (alex) appealing to town. id be a bit confused if they were both somehow maf but i didnt really read much else and i am not sure how cait is really being trd here based on what they have said (as i see you guys typing rn). i dont agree with cait's opinion specifically on how there are more mafia pairings with me + someone else than not and alex agreeing with it as well; especially considering my interactions with everyone here not really pointing to be scummy with anyone, ive treated everyone generally the same lol
imma need to get back home first so ill need like an hour or two before im fully here
2:15 a.m.
I wanna go over caitling and ruthless now since what ive read over hasn’t really changed a ton for alex and jen besides alex might not be godfather unless cait is the partner i think
Jen( Godfather )/Cait ( Mafioso ) - I feel like this could technically be possible, their separation being quite literally visible at the start with jen siding with me and cait siding with Alex. Given what we talked about Alex and Cait being TvS its possible Cait came and pocketed Alex. This is pretty risky tbf but I really think what happened at the start was somewhat coordinated by at least 1 person. By poe its also clear there has to be at least 1 scum in that group anyway. With the way Jen’s been talking Alex though , she begun to move the vote toward others as well so if she were scum there’s no chance thats mafioso.
Jen ( Godfather ) / Ruthless ( Mafioso ) - This also works , Ruthless focused a lot more on alex and specifically cait and Jen’s nudging alex to also focus on cait and ruth so its possible they’re just slowly moving a cait lynch early and then letting me and alex resolve or the other way around. However there’s not much interaction between the two to point out much more than that, their recent could be a negotiation with alex of course but again i feel a lot weaker about this one
Alex ( Godfather ) / Cait ( Mafioso ) - This is my og pair for today my canon ship. These two worked in tandem at the start , Cait is also voting me has just generally dropped out of the game? Its possible she might be discouraged if Alex is indeed the godfather since he’s been grilled literally since the game started. But at this point Cait might have also gone silent to maybe be a backup push Alex can back onto if nobody else is found? I feel like this pair really makes sense to me in terms of everyone’s behaviour and the split. I feel like what happened at gamestart was really drastic? Someone had to have hit a nerve somewhere
Alex ( Mafioso? ) / Ruthless ( Godfather? ) - With this one im not completely sure on the roles , if Ruthless is the mafioso he’s played very well thus far tbh. He dropped in also defending Alex but instead of what cait did Ruth more so focused on the tvs and locked on Cait. His deductions felt okay though regardless if we disagreed on the tvs /svs thing. It’s possible he chose to defend his mafioso because if me and jen went after alex cait and ruth would have most likely been next unless he made one of us fake the whole fight with alex? This pairing contains a bit of both in terms of roles to me but im putting my bet on ruth gf and alex maf
Cait ( Godfather? ) / Ruthless ( Mafioso? ) - They’re both playing a much more quiet game in feel like than the rest of us have. Cait was part of the split but then just dropped off , it’s important to note that she did actually state that going for Ruth would be better and while it does makes sense in her logic, it also stood out to me as a bit weird considering she dropped in the middle of an argument between three others. This has also singled out ruth kinda and honestly the whole dynamic seems like its shifting its focus toward ruth rather than Cait. I think its avoidance.
5:31 a.m.
Imo Jen/Alex just never works , I might be tunelling on that tvs hard but I really don’t see that being a working pair, what happened at the start was a disaster if it is them
5:35 a.m.
In conclusion
Godfather - Jen > Alex > Ruth > Cait
Mafioso - Cait > Ruth > Alex > Jen
5:37 a.m.
This will most likely change once cait and ruth interact more and we get closer to the vote I assume
5:41 a.m.
The issue with voting Jen for me is that her pairings are of two people who haven’t been as present , which is why ive kinda just
5:41 a.m.
remained on Alex
5:41 a.m.
His situation is similar but I suspect alex way more
5:41 a.m.
I do hate that my vote is still in the split though
5:42 a.m.
If we want information, we kill Cait or Ruthless today
If we want possible gf we go Jen or Alex
5:42 a.m.
At least thats how it is for me
5:43 a.m.
I think that best if we both in both Jen/Alex and Cait/Ruth we get at least 1 right anyway
5:44 a.m.
vote in both*
5:44 a.m.
Oh wait
5:44 a.m.
Yeah actually that kinda just solves the game
5:46 a.m.
As long as one of Cait/Ruth dies we should be good here by process of elimination
5:47 a.m.
Ill be here to discuss stuff
𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴ÿ MIH
As long as one of Cait/Ruth dies we should be good here by process of elimination
I wanted to write the whole things cause if i had time come back and continue the me and alex fight right away I would suffer multiple aneurysms
𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴ÿ MIH
Imo Jen/Alex just never works , I might be tunelling on that tvs hard but I really don’t see that being a working pair, what happened at the start was a disaster if it is them
Like yeah i wanted to get him riled up at first but the more he spoke out the more sus it seemed
7:08 a.m.
you and cait seemed to disagree on that though
7:09 a.m.
Which is why im unsure what you could be if paired with Alex
7:10 a.m.
Who do you think is my pair ruth sama
𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴ÿ MIH
Alex ( Godfather ) / Cait ( Mafioso ) - This is my og pair for today my canon ship. These two worked in tandem at the start , Cait is also voting me has just generally dropped out of the game? Its possible she might be discouraged if Alex is indeed the godfather since he’s been grilled literally since the game started. But at this point Cait might have also gone silent to maybe be a backup push Alex can back onto if nobody else is found? I feel like this pair really makes sense to me in terms of everyone’s behaviour and the split. I feel like what happened at gamestart was really drastic? Someone had to have hit a nerve somewhere
Alex ( Mafioso? ) / Ruthless ( Godfather? ) - With this one im not completely sure on the roles , if Ruthless is the mafioso he’s played very well thus far tbh. He dropped in also defending Alex but instead of what cait did Ruth more so focused on the tvs and locked on Cait. His deductions felt okay though regardless if we disagreed on the tvs /svs thing. It’s possible he chose to defend his mafioso because if me and jen went after alex cait and ruth would have most likely been next unless he made one of us fake the whole fight with alex? This pairing contains a bit of both in terms of roles to me but im putting my bet on ruth gf and alex maf
https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1249861702145540126/1250641722761936918
He's GF zzzzzzz
It'd explain his self hammer play cuz that'd clear him as not GF if ppl didn't protest & it explains why Jen isn't pushing him despite accusing him and why he was fine with sacrificing Ruthless
MIH!GF with Jen or Ruth!Mafioso fits so perfectly imo
https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1249861702145540126/1250641722761936918
He's GF zzzzzzz
It'd explain his self hammer play cuz that'd clear him as not GF if ppl didn't protest & it explains why Jen isn't pushing him despite accusing him and why he was fine with sacrificing Ruthless
MIH!GF with Jen or Ruth!Mafioso fits so perfectly imo
Jen has always outwardly appeared to be neutral on mih despite it seeming like she implicitly thinks mih is town, if she stated it explicitly then that’s a bit worse in my argument here on who is most likely to pick the other
Individual Trust Ranking
1) Alex
2) Jen(?)
3) Ruthless(?)
4) MIH
Team Trust Ranking
1) MIH + Alex
2) Jen + Ruthless
3) Alex + Jen
4) Alex + Ruthless
5) Jen + MIH
6) Ruthless + MIH
Individual Trust Ranking
1) Alex
2) Jen(?)
3) Ruthless(?)
4) MIH
Team Trust Ranking
1) MIH + Alex
2) Jen + Ruthless
3) Alex + Jen
4) Alex + Ruthless
5) Jen + MIH
6) Ruthless + MIH
1) I feel like Alex would try to pocket Jen if he was wolf with Jen town, which, would point to Alex only being mafia with Jen -> a quite unlikely pairing imho
2) Me & Alex atp are mindmelding so much that I find it hard to believe we're not TvT. Ppl oftenly tell me mindmelds are not a good metric but Idc they are
3) His posts just imo are the best conclusive, only passed by maybe MIH, but MIH's conclusions are completely erratic, lol
4) I just find it way easier to imagine the team being anti me/Alex then Alex tricking me but that's a bad reason prob lol
On the first point don’t you agree that it would be difficult to when Jen and mih were pushing on him early? Like how would he be able to do that? Maybe he could now but I’m not sure if Jen still thinks he’s mafia
somber
I just wanna know where u said mih and I are scum together because fmpov you only thought that after I voted
https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1249861702145540126/1250790617467060334
To go deeper into the teams
MIH & Alex -> Unlikely cuz of how antagonized they are to each other. Only paranoia-inducing thing is MIH preferring me/Ruthless over Alex for bs reasons but I find that way more likely to be blamed on MIH just being mafia than on this being the team
Jen + Ruthless -> Imo also very unlikely cuz Ruthless is the only one rlly considering Jen wolf here, and esp if Ruthless is Mafioso, they wouldn't need to do anything i nthe current gamestate, cuz it already would p much be a win. Ruthless!GF Jen!Mafioso is... possible but even then I feel like that's still a win in 99 of 100 cases
Alex + Jen -> I think this is p straightforward, I'm defs not clearing this as much as other ppl are though
The bottom 3 imo are all possible and I p much ranked them on individual reads lol
Mr why do you trust this person even though I made it clear to you that I don’t trust anyone
I still don’t understand what you’re trying to say here
8:47 a.m.
But to answer your question had it been asked properly (who do u think is mihs partner if he’s scum) ehh
8:48 a.m.
Mih is willing to sacrifice whoever he wants so I think it’s possible you all could be his partner, I don’t think I’ve developed a hard general read like
You and Jen are not partners
When it comes to mih
somber
Mr why do you trust this person even though I made it clear to you that I don’t trust anyone
I still don’t understand what you’re trying to say here
As I said many times I don’t trust everyone in here
somber
Mih is willing to sacrifice whoever he wants so I think it’s possible you all could be his partner, I don’t think I’ve developed a hard general read like
You and Jen are not partners
When it comes to mih
If mih and Jen are scum, Jen is gf and mih is mafioso
If mih and cait are scum, mih is more likely to be gf to be here
If you and mih are scum I think mih could be gf? I’m not sure he seemed eager to vote someone else when I voted you
somber
If mih and Jen are scum, Jen is gf and mih is mafioso
If mih and cait are scum, mih is more likely to be gf to be here
If you and mih are scum I think mih could be gf? I’m not sure he seemed eager to vote someone else when I voted you
Also no hate I’m just really confident. It’s not a vendetta thing. If I was playing with a vendetta I’d still be on the jen train tbh
8:57 a.m.
I just see 0 world where you and jen are TT. I really don’t have any reason to sus cait right now, and then ruthless also sounds more town than you even though my guess is that he’s your partner
8:57 a.m.
Sorry if I wasn’t more direct about my team guess last night
8:57 a.m.
I at least strongly implied that sorry if it wasn’t direct enough
8:58 a.m.
Can my opinion change on ruthless this game? Sure it can but that’s for me to figure out d2 assuming you are scum
8:58 a.m.
I went from being pretty confident on jen to basically Tring her
8:58 a.m.
Which is wild
8:58 a.m.
But
8:58 a.m.
People progress and develop
8:59 a.m.
Sorry if it seems like I’m being stubborn but I don’t think Iv been too bad about that
8:59 a.m.
I’m just thinking ahead
Alex19
I at least strongly implied that sorry if it wasn’t direct enough
I still haven’t read through but I will some point this morning
9:28 a.m.
I need to come back in the game with an open mind
9:33 a.m.
Mih 2 votes and Caitlin 2 votes
9:33 a.m.
Eh
9:37 a.m.
@Unknown if there’s a possibility of me being gf, then why not vote me? The objective is to find gf.
9:41 a.m.
I feel like I’m being “played” but at the same time, i did that to myself. So im gonna ignore Alex and Mih. And try to solve between Caitlin/Ruth
9:42 a.m.
Start of d1 the game was very chatty and active between myself Alex and Mih. I don’t think there was a gf there trying to blend in. At best, a mafioso.
9:42 a.m.
And I don’t think there’s two mafias between Alex and Mih.
So good look to u guys as I’ve said enough already
10:26 a.m.
Luck
somber
and that is kind of a gripe i have with how this is playing out right now because it feels like this game is on my shoulders if people continue to have a hard pairing of you and mih and alex and cait which i do not want because it's stressful
Ykw I don’t care to listen to you, if you’re going to play the game the way it’s being played rn and be defensive or mad that youre being “misinterpreted” then why bother. Its like talking to a wall
I do think Alex is trustworthy but w/e and it's like; I slept the night on it and the posts I read Alex was townie in (imo)
I also gave my reasons when you asked for them
And also it's not like I came back into thread immediately townreading Alex; I read some old posts first before I got there
It's also still not like I'm 100% sure, but I would be surprised if Alex flips red
Also Ruth
I know I'm town and if you're town then it rlly does make sense for me to TR Alex here
Cuz like
Alex is not with Jen, and even less likely with MIH imo
Also Ruth
I know I'm town and if you're town then it rlly does make sense for me to TR Alex here
Cuz like
Alex is not with Jen, and even less likely with MIH imo
Also Ruth
I know I'm town and if you're town then it rlly does make sense for me to TR Alex here
Cuz like
Alex is not with Jen, and even less likely with MIH imo
Beginning of day 1 - mih immediately places vote on Alex. Alex unbothered. Talks about our “history” of reading each other, blah blah blah. Alex thinks there’s a maf between me/mih. He’s been pretty consistent all game with that read and sticking with his initial gut. I called Alex mafia, thus beginning our 80 hour fight. Going to skim through mine and Alex argument… Alex didn’t like my entrance. Fair. Too hyper for him. Bleh I lost my spot
Caitlin is in the game. We bickered And moved on. This is where we were a line was kind of drawn. Jen/mih vs Alex/cait. Alex TRd Cait so they kind of stuck together for awhile. 12pm CST timestamp..
1:10 p.m.
Alex said my intro was NAI. What’s NAI. Like a robot? @Alex19
Jen
Alex said my intro was NAI. What’s NAI. Like a robot? @Alex19
If you are inno, and you TR Cait and maybe TL me over mih, therefore it’s Mih/ruthless by POE. We just need to see their interactions and who’s hiding more.
1:24 p.m.
@𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴ÿ MIH howdy
1:24 p.m.
I’m reading this game with a more open mind
1:26 p.m.
For you both, @Caitlin and @Alex19, you guys wanna go mih>ruthless, my brain is telling me ruthless>mih
Jen
If you are inno, and you TR Cait and maybe TL me over mih, therefore it’s Mih/ruthless by POE. We just need to see their interactions and who’s hiding more.
Id like to ask you guys to wait for me if possible , ill ty my best to catch once im done but if it cant wait ping me to vote or something. Ill try to skim and make up my mind
I disagree for obvious reasons (read my interactions with everyone)
1:48 p.m.
But i am not going to debate whether or not i am anti town i think my contribution and participation speaks for itself
1:48 p.m.
Or maybe the fact that I do not enjoy the game not progressing if lynched because it will be and I know it will be a repeat of d1
1:50 p.m.
Now if I was alex or mih i wouldnt mind dying that much albeit still annoyed because there is a lot of info to be gained there. Imo for town who cares, im not the gf considering i am the easiest push to be lynched here if people choose to ignore cait
1:50 p.m.
But i cant help town who chooses to close their eyes when they play so do what ya want
1:53 p.m.
Is no one surprised I havent appealed to anyone specifically
1:54 p.m.
Why should I bother lol
somber
Or maybe the fact that I do not enjoy the game not progressing if lynched because it will be and I know it will be a repeat of d1
If you get mislynched then it won’t be a repeat of day1. Like if you wanna go Caitlin/Mih/Alex then I’ll follow through. Like i don’t understand why you would think it would be a repeat of day1. It’s not like we can lynch you again.
1:59 p.m.
I don’t expect or need you to appeal to anyone. If you fully believe you are inno and someone is sus, then I expect you to push hard. And try to convince town as to why.
1:59 p.m.
Either way, I’m still reading from yesterday. In and out of chat due to work things.
Jen
Well if there’s a world where you are town rn, then you are playing very anti town, imo.
I mean it was a question for him once he finished reading and if he had any initial thoughts that would have been cool too. The argument started early early into the game
2:43 p.m.
I think an initial answer was fs possible
2:44 p.m.
Tagging is just going to distract you so I’m not doing that
I still think that if any of you are maf cait and mih are more likely to be mafioso than gf (you two) in the possible combinations
2:53 p.m.
I have reconsidered my opinion of cait
2:53 p.m.
For now
2:54 p.m.
Game is pretty difficult with 1 maf is buddying with town
2:56 p.m.
I dont think Jen agrees that mih is gf here because she repeatedly asked alex about that
2:57 p.m.
Im gonna stick to my gf read on alex
2:58 p.m.
Would be lovely if the game ended today
2:59 p.m.
Im not really sure about cait / mih specific role if scum they seemed fine with getting each other anyways
3:06 p.m.
Cait / jen is also a pairing not spoken about, i dont think their beef really means much as maf
3:06 p.m.
You just put it aside and play the game like most people do who dont really like each other that much
3:07 p.m.
One might argue alex + mih is not as likely to happen as alex + jen but i think it is safe to say the former is more likely to happen than the latter
3:08 p.m.
MIH was and is still fine with not getting alex (who is most likely gf anyway) to me at least over jen
3:09 p.m.
I dont really see how MIH is gf here aside from being fine with anyone dying but jen pretty much (sure you can say you dont mind but its clear you both tr each other to some extent) but if anyone else (preferably town) has a reason for explaining why mih is gf than id like to hear it
If mih flips mafioso I wont be surprised but I hope he is town because it gives a lot of info although I'd still want to get alex then anyway, I dont really know who's getting lynched at the end of the day so yea
https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1249861702145540126/1250889911700160554
You already mentioned why I think MIH could be GF in the same msg
But it's just a possibility for me
Either way I don't rlly vote based on who is GF or Mafioso I just vote the most likely mafia; cuz you could be right on your suspect, but be wrong on their role
I only use it in very specific scenarios like Q4
That’s why your early d1 on me was trashed @Alex19
Caitlin
https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1249861702145540126/1250889911700160554
You already mentioned why I think MIH could be GF in the same msg
But it's just a possibility for me
Either way I don't rlly vote based on who is GF or Mafioso I just vote the most likely mafia; cuz you could be right on your suspect, but be wrong on their role
I only use it in very specific scenarios like Q4
You mentioned that jen and i are not a likely pairing because i am the only other person considering that she can be gf here and that if i was mafioso I wouldnt need to do much and some other stuff... and how if i was gf and jen is mafioso it would also be less likely
If you did tr me, and you hard tr alex (almost typed mafia) would mih and jen be a thing
somber
You mentioned that jen and i are not a likely pairing because i am the only other person considering that she can be gf here and that if i was mafioso I wouldnt need to do much and some other stuff... and how if i was gf and jen is mafioso it would also be less likely
If you did tr me, and you hard tr alex (almost typed mafia) would mih and jen be a thing
Well that's what I mentioned yesterday, I said this specifically to you (alex)
i think at the start of the game jen looked a bit scummy for piggy backing off of mih at the start (kinda like one may be using each other in order to get you out) or they could both be just rlly good and somehow both town with u being maf which.. i dont know yet, i would have to restate my pairings
somber
Well that's what I mentioned yesterday, I said this specifically to you (alex)
i think at the start of the game jen looked a bit scummy for piggy backing off of mih at the start (kinda like one may be using each other in order to get you out) or they could both be just rlly good and somehow both town with u being maf which.. i dont know yet, i would have to restate my pairings
I feel like most people get the idea that if I am maf i am gf but lets be honest here, no one has any problem lynching me d1 and it is clear I havent been fought for specifically by anyone either
Caitlin
I wish hammer was on so we could hammer one of MIH/Ruth cuz atp I just want a flip smh
I feel like most people get the idea that if I am maf i am gf but lets be honest here, no one has any problem lynching me d1 and it is clear I havent been fought for specifically by anyone either
I think its obvious alex has been buddying you after you guys settled down from early game and now slight tr each other after fillering about sports for how long
3:21 p.m.
All mih needs to do is use is the jen is towny card because you already dont think hes scum
Not necessarily especially during the first time I voted Alex he acted weirdly which we all agreed with earlier in regards to being ok with sacrificing anyone
Not necessarily especially during the first time I voted Alex he acted weirdly which we all agreed with earlier in regards to being ok with sacrificing anyone
The most scummy from gf would be alex over you
You two are more protected than mih and cait as individuals (which is why i am voting who i think is more likely to be gf i want the game to end)
Thats not what I said either I am saying I do not trust each and every one of you as individuals due the fact that everyone has a possbility of being with each other when I rule out my exceptions
3:32 p.m.
I dont really see it as a big deal to be careful about everyone in here when I dont have a solid tr
The problem with easily hard tring people is that if u are wrong u fuck up very badly and most likely gets town lynched -- which would be funny if alex was somehow town but I do not think he is
somber
I dont really see it as a big deal to be careful about everyone in here when I dont have a solid tr
But if im correct the day ends and I think as town we should be more willing to get gf as blue to end this ridiculous game that I think no one is really enjoying that much
But if im correct the day ends and I think as town we should be more willing to get gf as blue to end this ridiculous game that I think no one is really enjoying that much
As a town, you are more carefree when it comes to executing someone. Town isn’t paranoid. Mafia is paranoid. So you being “careful” is not a town tell.
As a town, you are more carefree when it comes to executing someone. Town isn’t paranoid. Mafia is paranoid. So you being “careful” is not a town tell.
at first i thought ruth was trying to test me or something cause he kept soft agreeing with me but when he was left alone with alex the same things fuckiny happened
I really feel like ruth is not the way to go with the way the game progressed. Ill give shoob time to speak out ofc since they might fuck up or slip or anything but
I told ruth i wanted us to move from you and alex and go cait ruth because they were the least present ones tbh but then a split happened and now we re here
4:25 p.m.
no matter how we slice it someone ends up fucked outside too
If Caitlin gets ML, you are aware the next vote would be you, @𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴ÿ MIH ?
𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴ÿ MIH
I told ruth i wanted us to move from you and alex and go cait ruth because they were the least present ones tbh but then a split happened and now we re here
Its not really? For me jen / you had reached a stalemate by that point and i wanted to go for others. You also criticised me before that i didn’t wanna move from you
Shoobiedoobiedoo
Okay, I might sound crazy for pointing this out but Alex is kinda annoucing and demand Jen take a break
Well if I were to thinknof suspicious things you did that stood out I don’t really know if i can find many , i liked your votes so far , your attitude makes sense and I also liked what you fished for
Paranoia, this is mostly speaking from my experience but not being susses now can bite you later with everyone suddenly focusing on you. Some players wanna avoid it
@Jen@Caitlin hey guys I need some time to mentally recharge I prob won’t be back for an hour plus. I am very very confident in who my last 2 are and if I had to pick between Jen or cait for most inno I’ll slightly give it to Jen. I will vote either of the 2 I sus and I am open to listening once I get back
@Jen@Caitlin hey guys I need some time to mentally recharge I prob won’t be back for an hour plus. I am very very confident in who my last 2 are and if I had to pick between Jen or cait for most inno I’ll slightly give it to Jen. I will vote either of the 2 I sus and I am open to listening once I get back
@Jen@Caitlin hey guys I need some time to mentally recharge I prob won’t be back for an hour plus. I am very very confident in who my last 2 are and if I had to pick between Jen or cait for most inno I’ll slightly give it to Jen. I will vote either of the 2 I sus and I am open to listening once I get back
Something just isn't sitting right, just him being buddy buddy makes me think that it's just a play, I haven't done mafia in a good while so I'm not really trusting anybody's words.
Jen if you're mafia with MIH you can win if you take the deal cuz Shoob is 100% voting Alex so pls just take it then so we can end the game
Shoobiedoobiedoo
Something just isn't sitting right, just him being buddy buddy makes me think that it's just a play, I haven't done mafia in a good while so I'm not really trusting anybody's words.
Well yeah , if you saw some of my reads you ve seen how i called out their pair very early. Your slot tried to say it was inly tvs but i think that was on purpose
Well yeah , if you saw some of my reads you ve seen how i called out their pair very early. Your slot tried to say it was inly tvs but i think that was on purpose
I thought it was both of yall and that you guys were both backing each other then it turned into you backing her as 2 mafs that evolved into 1 scum pocketing
the more alex talks the more it becomes impossible for me to reason it as town and the more cait agree it also just cements their 600ft hole theyve dug in my eyes
Well it was either you or alex as gf and alex is putting up a fight to look waay worse but besides that i liked your thought process , had you stayed pushing alex consistently and not tried to reason with him like you did I would have doubted it
9:24 p.m.
Its why i said at the start it unpaired you two i wanted to see if it would continue
I should’ve found it odd when Alex kept saying I was getting pocketed by you when it was happening to him. But then again, he wasn’t getting pocketed if they are both scum
9:26 p.m.
So if one of us locks in right now and it’s town, it’s game over?
I kinda wanted to mostly study in my train ride but this complicates stuff
4:23 a.m.
Having read the chat my first guess is still MIH/Jen but I do become somewhat wary of Alex's quick turn around
Does that mean I should vote Jen? I mean; maybe - she is the shared factor between those teams, but I'd prefer not voting first just incase I somehow am wrong
https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1249861702145540126/1250978456829956216
Jen why are you asking MIH for the preferred order though?
If lets say me & Alex are the team (we are not) then the order doesn't matter
And if we're not, and you're town, then MIH would be mafia, meaning his statement would be completely WIFOM
So either its a question that just doesn't matter, or the answer would be useless